Brian Broaderson…what Jesus do you worship?

C’mon Calvary Chapel…learn what you argue against…

An excerpt From John Gill’s “The Cause of God and Truth.”

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

I thought that I’d post a short section of the public domain book by John Gill “The cause of God and truth.” This particular section is about the assumption that many make about 2nd Peter 2:1.

Give it a read…

Section 54—2 Peter 2:1.

This passage of scripture is often produced as a proof both of the saints’ final and total apostasy, and of universal redemption; or that, besides those that are saved, Christ died also for them that perish. Dr. Whitby mentions the several answers which different men give to these words: one says, Christ bought these persons only to be slaves; another, that he died to rescue them from temporal, but not eternal punishments; a third, that he died for them because he gave a sufficient price for them; a fourth, that they denied that Lord whom they professed to have bought them; and a fifth, that they denied him, who, in the judgment of other men, had bought them. Upon which he observes, that they are so extravagant, that it is as easy to confute as to recite them.

1. I do not think myself concerned to defend any of these senses of the text mentioned, judging neither of them to be the meaning of the words, and so have nothing to do with the reasonings made use of in the confutation of them; though, perhaps, the two latter are not so extravagant as represented. However, in order to give the genuine sense of this text, let it be observed,

2. That Christ is not here at all spoken of; nor is there one syllable of his dying for any persons, in any sense whatever. The word despo>thv, Lord, does not design Christ but God the Father of Christ. The only places besides this where this word is used, when applied to a divine person, are Luke 2:29, Acts 4:24, 2 Timothy 2:21, Jude 1:4, Revelation 6:10, in all which places God the Father is plainly intended, and in most of them manifestly distinguished from Christ; nor is there anything in this text or context which obliges us to understand it of the Son of God; nor should this be thought any diminution of the glory of Christ, since the word despo>thv is properly expressive only of that power which masters have over their servants; whereas the word ku>riov, which is used whenever Christ is called Lord, signifies that dominion and authority which princes have over their subjects. Besides, Christ is called King of kings, and Lord of lords, and the only Potentate; yea, God over all, blessed for ever.

Moreover,

3. When these persons are said to be bought, the meaning is, not that they were redeemed by the blood of Christ, for, as is before observed, Christ is not intended. Besides, whenever redemption by Christ is spoken of, the price is usually mentioned, or some circumstance or another which fully determines the sense of it; (see Acts 20:28; 1 Cor. 6:20; Eph.1:7; 1 Pet. 1:18-19; Rev. 5:9; Rev. 14:3-4), whereas here is not the least hint of anything of this kind. Add to this, that such who are redeemed by Christ, are never left to deny him, so as to perish eternally; for could such be lost, or bring on themselves swift destruction, Christ’s purchase would be in vain, and the ransom price be paid for naught. But, 4. The word buying regards temporal deliverance, and particularly the redemption of the people of Israel out of Egypt; who are therefore called the people the Lord had purchased. The phrase is borrowed from Deuteronomy 32:6; Do ye thus requite the Lord,

O foolish people and unwise? Is not he thy Father that hath bought thee? Hath he not made thee and established thee?

Nor is this the only place the apostle Peter refers to in this chapter; (see vv. 12, 13, compared with Deuteronomy 32:5). Now the persons the apostle writes to, were Jews, the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithyna, a people who, in all ages, valued, themselves upon, and boasted mightily of their being the bought, purchased people of the Lord; wherefore Peter makes use of this phrase much in the same manner as Moses had done before him, to aggravate the ingratitude and impiety of these false teachers among the Jews; that they should deny, if not in words, at least in works, that mighty Jehovah, who had of old redeemed their fathers out of Egypt, with a stretched out arm, and, in successive ages, had distinguished them with peculiar favors; being ungodly men, turning the grace, the doctrine of the grace of God, into lasciviousness

 Hence,

5. Nothing can be concluded from this passage in favor of Christ’s dying for them that perish; since neither Christ, nor the death of Christ, nor redemption by his blood, are here once mentioned, nor in the least intended. Nor can these words be thought to be a proof and instance of the final and total apostasy of real saints, since there is not anything said of these false teachers, which gives any reason to believe that they were true believers in Christ, or ever had the grace of the Spirit wrought in their souls.

, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 

If you want the right to murder your babies…fine…but lay off their choice to honor life…

Waaa!!!….killing babies is ok….but airing a commercial celebrating life; and a choice to honor it…NOW THAT’S GOING TO FAR! Waaaa!!!!

Quit your whining because this young man has the backbone to stand up for what he believes…

What’s the world coming to when this is being targeted by special interest groups….OH THAT’S RIGHT…FREE SPEECH IS ONLY FREE WHEN IT’S PRO ABORTION.

Read the whole thing, and watch the video here….

http://jaycen.com/?p=557

The clay pots and the potter…when will we realize our place?

Recently I have been reading a book called  “The Potter’s freedom” by James White. It’s a response to Norman Geisler’s book: “Chosen but Free.”

As I was reading, a few passages really struck a chord in me…(as I’ve had a few conversations lately with Christians who abhor the idea that God is sovereign in his dealings with men…Volcanoes? No problem, Rain? No biggie….but the will of man? That’s the one place that men will never let God be God…) and so I thought I’d post at least a couple of them to show the absurdity of this elevated view of the will of man.

Here are those passages:

First is the passage, recording God’s actions in using Assyria against Israel as is seen in Isaiah 10:5–19

⁵ “What sorrow awaits Assyria, the rod of my anger.

I use it as a club to express my anger.

⁶ I am sending Assyria against a godless nation,

against a people with whom I am angry.

Assyria will plunder them,

trampling them like dirt beneath its feet.

⁷ But the king of Assyria will not understand that he is my tool;

his mind does not work that way.

His plan is simply to destroy,

to cut down nation after nation.

⁸ He will say,

‘Each of my princes will soon be a king.

⁹ We destroyed Calno just as we did Carchemish.

Hamath fell before us as Arpad did.

And we destroyed Samaria just as we did Damascus.

¹⁰ Yes, we have finished off many a kingdom

whose gods were greater than those in Jerusalem and Samaria.

¹¹ So we will defeat Jerusalem and her gods,

just as we destroyed Samaria with hers.’ ”

¹² After the Lord has used the king of Assyria to accomplish his purposes on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem, he will turn against the king of Assyria and punish him—for he is proud and arrogant. ¹³ He boasts,

“By my own powerful arm I have done this.

With my own shrewd wisdom I planned it.

I have broken down the defenses of nations

and carried off their treasures.

I have knocked down their kings like a bull.

¹⁴ I have robbed their nests of riches

and gathered up kingdoms as a farmer gathers eggs.

No one can even flap a wing against me

or utter a peep of protest.”

¹⁵ But can the ax boast greater power than the person who uses it?

Is the saw greater than the person who saws?

Can a rod strike unless a hand moves it?

Can a wooden cane walk by itself?

¹⁶ Therefore, the Lord, the Lord of Heaven’s Armies,

will send a plague among Assyria’s proud troops,

and a flaming fire will consume its glory.

¹⁷ The Lord, the Light of Israel, will be a fire;

the Holy One will be a flame.

He will devour the thorns and briers with fire,

burning up the enemy in a single night.

¹⁸ The Lord will consume Assyria’s glory

like a fire consumes a forest in a fruitful land;

it will waste away like sick people in a plague.

¹⁹ Of all that glorious forest, only a few trees will survive—

so few that a child could count them!

God is seen using Assyria to bring judgment against Israel, yet when the Lord is finished using Assyria in this act, then He punishes them for it…God’s freedom in His dealing with men permeates scripture; here, Isaiah calls men pots and God the Potter:

Isaiah 29:16

¹⁶ How foolish can you be?

He is the Potter, and he is certainly greater than you, the clay!

Should the created thing say of the one who made it,

“He didn’t make me”?

Does a jar ever say,

“The potter who made me is stupid”?

Isaiah 45:9

⁹ “What sorrow awaits those who argue with their Creator.

Does a clay pot argue with its maker?

Does the clay dispute with the one who shapes it, saying,

‘Stop, you’re doing it wrong!’

Does the pot exclaim,

‘How clumsy can you be?’

We can understand God as the great vending machine in the sky, but can we accept Him as the all powerful, King that He is?

To my LDS friends…just give up…