Questions for Jehovah’s Witnesses

27 09 2008

1. Why does the Watchtower [WT] translate “ego eimi” as “I am”, 133 out of 134 New Testament occurrences, except where it proves Christ is God in John 8:58? Here they translate “ego eimi” as “I have been”. Why?

2. Why does the WT translate the New Testament word for Lord (ie. “Kurios”) as Jehovah, except where it proves Christ is God? For example, “Jesus Christ is Lord” in Philippians 2:11 and “Jesus is Lord” in 1 Corinthians 12:3.

3. Can you say that Jesus Christ is Lord? (see 1 Corinthians 12:3).

4. Why does the WT add “other” four times in Colossians 1:16, 17 and in Philippians 2:9 to deny Christ’s deity, when “other” is not in any New Testament manuscripts? Is it right to add words to the Bible which change Bible doctrines? Read the rest of this entry »





LDS Question: Where did the laws come from?

27 09 2008

LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie:

“The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same”

(A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p. 64)

Sooo….if God became god because he’s just an exalted man who obeyed these laws…then the law must predate any exalted man/god right?

So I ask

Where did the laws come from?

That seems a fair question; do any LDS folk who are reading this have an answer?

Ground rules:

1.) Telling me that I’m “Anti-Mormon” is not the answer to my question.

2.) Taking me down a rabbit trail is not answering my question.

3.) Attacking Christianity is not an answering my question.





Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace

25 09 2008

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And on the heels of my last post…the Kinderhook Plates.

22 09 2008

Joseph Smith and the Kinderhook Plates

In 1843 six brass plates were found in a mound in Kinderhook, Illinois. Mormons who saw the plates were impressed by their ancient appearance and felt that they would prove Joseph Smith’s Book of Mormon. In a letter written from Nauvoo, Illinois, dated May 2, 1843, Charlotte Haven said that when Joshua Moore “showed them to Joseph [Smith] the letter said that the figures or writing on them was similar to that in which the Book of Mormon was written, and if Mr. Moore could leave them, he thought that by the help of revelation he would be able to translate them.” (Overland Monthly, Dec. 1890, page 630)

While the Kinderhook plates have often been put forth as evidence for Joseph Smith’s claims concerning the Book of Mormon, there is another side to the story. Evidence now shows that the Kinderhook plates were actually modern forgeries created specifically for the purpose of entrapping Joseph Smith.

Joseph Smith accepted these plates as authentic and even claimed that he had translated a portion of them. The evidence comes from the diary of William Clayton, Joseph Smith’s private secretary. The information in Clayton’s journal was deemed so important that it was put in the first person and used as a basis for the story of the Kinderhook plates which is printed in the History of the Church vol. 5, p. 372. The following is attributed to Joseph Smith:

“I insert fac-similes of the six brass plates found near Kinderhook,…

I have translated a portion of them and find they contain the history of the person with whom they were found. He was a descendant of Ham, through the loins of Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and that he received his kingdom from the Ruler of heaven and earth.”

After the plates were found, nine “citizens of Kinderhook” certified that R. Wiley took the “six brass-plates” from “a large mound, in this vicinity.” Unfortunately for the Mormon position, it was later revealed that the plates were forgeries. On April 25, 1856, W. P. Harris, who was one of the nine witnesses to the discovery of the plates, wrote a letter in which he stated that the plates were not genuine: “…I was present with a number at or near Kinderhook and helped to dig at the time the plates were found… I… made an honest affidavit to the same…. since that time, Bridge Whitten said to me that he cut and prepared the plates and he… and R. Wiley engraved them themselves…. Wilbourn Fugit appeared to be the chief, with R. Wiley and B. Whitten.” (The Book of Mormon?, by James D. Bales, pp. 95-96)

On June 30, 1879, W. Fugate, who was also one of the nine people who signed the certificate, wrote a letter in which he admitted his part in the hoax: “I received your letter in regard to those plates, and will say in answer that they are a humbug, gotten up by Robert Wiley, Bridge Whitten and myself…. We read in Pratt’s prophecy that ‘Truth is yet to spring out of the earth.’ We concluded to prove the prophecy by way of a joke.” (Letter of W. Fugate, as cited in The Kinderhook Plates by Welby W. Ricks, reprinted from the Improvement Era, Sept. 1962)

At the time of the Civil War the Kinderhook plates were lost. M. Wilford Poulson, of Brigham Young University, later found one of the original plates in the Chicago Historical Society Museum. The plate which he found has been identified as no. 5 in the facsimiles printed in the History of the Church. While Professor Poulson’s research led him to believe that the plate was a forgery, Welby W. Ricks, who was President of the BYU Archaeological Society, hailed the discovery as a vindication of Joseph Smith’s work:

“A recent rediscovery of one of the Kinderhook plates which was examined by Joseph Smith, Jun., reaffirms his prophetic calling and reveals the false statements made by one of the finders….

“The plates are now back in their original category of genuine…. Joseph Smith, Jun., stands as a true prophet and translator of ancient records by divine means and all the world is invited to investigate the truth which has sprung out of the earth not only of the Kinderhook plates, but of the Book of Mormon as well.” (The Kinderhook Plates)

In 1965, three years after Mr. Ricks made this triumphant announcement, George M. Lawrence, a Mormon physicist was given permission to examine and make “some non-destructive physical studies of the surviving plate.” In his “Report of a Physical Study of the Kinderhook Plate Number 5,” George Lawrence wrote: The dimensions, tolerances, composition and workmanship are consistent with the facilities of an 1843 blacksmith shop and with the fraud stories of the original participants.” Since Mr. Lawrence was only allowed to make non-destructive tests, some Mormon scholars would not accept his work as conclusive. In 1980, however, the Mormon scholar Stanley P. Kimball was able “to secure permission from the Chicago Historical Society for the recommended destructive tests.” Professor Kimball described the results of the tests in the official Mormon Church publication, The Ensign, August 1981, pp. 66-70: “A recent electronic and chemical analysis of a metal plate… brought in 1843 to the prophet Joseph Smith… appears to solve a previously unanswered question in Church history, helping to further evidence that the plate is what its producers later said it was – a nineteenth-century attempt to lure Joseph Smith into making a translation of ancient-looking characters that had been etched into the plates…. As a result of these tests, we concluded that the plate… is not of ancient origin…. we concluded that the plate was made from a true brass alloy (copper and zinc) typical of the mid-nineteenth century; whereas the ‘brass’ of ancient times was actually bronze, an alloy of copper and tin.”

If Joseph Smith had not been murdered in June 1844, it is very possible he might have published a complete “translation” of these bogus plates. Just a month before his death it was reported that he was “busy in translating them. The new work… will be nothing more nor less than a sequel to The Book of Mormon;…” (Warsaw Signal May 22, 1844) The fact that Joseph Smith was actually preparing to print a translation of the plates is verified by a broadside published by the Mormon newspaper, The Nauvoo Neighbor, in June 1843. On this broadside, containing facsimiles of the plates, we find the following: “The contents of the Plates, together with a Fac-Simile of the same, will be published in the ‘Times and Seasons,’ as soon as the translation is completed.”

In any case, it is obvious that Joseph Smith’s work on these fraudulent plates casts serious doubt upon his credibility as a translator of Mormon scriptures like the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham.

Smith’s work on the Kinderhook plates was supposed to have revealed that they “contain the history of the person with whom they were found. He was a descendant of Ham, through the loins of Pharaoh, king of Egypt and that he received his kingdom from the Ruler of heaven and earth.” Now, in order to derive this much information from the plates it would have been necessary to have “translated” quite a number of the words. A man who could invent such information from bogus plates is just the type of man who would pretend to translate the Book of Abraham from Egyptian papyri which he really knew nothing about or the Book of Mormon from golden plates which he never made available to scholars. Charles A. Shook once observed: “Only a bogus prophet translates bogus plates.” While this may not be the most tactful way of putting it, this is a very serious problem which cannot be brushed aside. Furthermore, Jesus himself has told us to “Beware of false prophets” (Matthew 7:15).

While the forged Kinderhook plates present a real dilemma for those who maintain Joseph Smith was a prophet of God, Smith’s purported translation of the Book of Abraham presents an even greater problem. For more information on these subjects see the book, Major problems of Mormonism

As I said in my last post; if this is what you’re putting your faith in; then you’d better be right.

Thank you to www.ultm.org for this information





Heard on the radio…If I’m right and you’re wrong…

22 09 2008

I’d like to direct this to my LDS friends.

I was listening to the radio today; Way of the Master Radio. Todd was talking to an elder of the LDS church. He was pretty direct with him, he didn’t take him through the law, he didn’t talk a lot about the typical things that you’d hear from him…he just asked the elder this:

The LDS church teaches that Jesus was created…God is an exalted man who followed the gospel principles, and became a god.

Christianity teaches that Jesus existed eternally with God. There was never a time when Jesus or God the Father didn’t exist. Jesus was God in human flesh, fully God and fully man.

The bible teaches that anyone who gets this wrong; will not have God; i.e. not be saved.

2nd John:

“…For many deceivers have gone out into the world, people who do not confess Jesus as Christ coming in the flesh. This person is the deceiver and the antichrist! Watch out, so that you do not lose the things we have worked for, but receive a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not remain in the teaching of Christ does not have God. The one who remains in this teaching has both the Father and the Son.”

Now I ask you; my LDS friend. Are you willing to bank your eternity on a 150 year old religion? If you are, then you’d better be right…because that’s exactly what you’re doing.

On the other hand, If I’m wrong, then according to LDS theology, I will get a chance to hear the “gospel” in the spirit world.

Think about it.





Adrian Rogers inconsistent Arminianism

15 09 2008

This is a video (which is really an audio), of a Radio Free Geneva program by Dr. James White. In it he’s showing the incredible inconsistency of Arminianism, via a critique of a sermon by Pastor Adrian Rogers.

If you are Arminian, or if you don’t know what you are but you “sure aint one of them heretical Calvinists!” then give this a listen…listen to the critique…think about what you believe…and if necessary…change your belief.

 

 

 

God bless Lane Chaplin for his hard work and dedication to the truth of the scriptures by making this available.





How would YOU present the gospel…and why?

10 09 2008

A past “work friend” died yesterday and it got some of us emailing back and forth about this man. Our memories seemed to be more “rosie” than what reality actually was. We all extolled the virtues of this friend of ours, and it gave me an opening to share the gospel with one of these people. (Death has a way of creating an opening to talk about eternal things.)

So I emailed a short gospel presentation to this man…and having presented the gospel a lot of times I started to write it out and then I started to think about HOW I was presenting it…was I presenting it like a “carrot-on-a-stick” as something to be grabbed? Was I presenting it as truthfully as possible?

I had to rewrite it a few times due to my habit of trying to make salvation attractive enough to entice this guy instead of telling him of the reality of his destiny.

I’ve studied the Way of the Master, and I like their approach of Law to the Proud/Grace to the humble, (this part of the post edited out)

So how would YOU present the gospel if you had just a short email or a few minutes on the phone?

 

I’ll start us off; here is what I told him, and the names have been changed to protect everyone involved:

 

 Harold,

We make a lot of jokes around here and I’m the biggest joker of them all…but there is one thing that I won’t joke about, and that is this:

 Where you go when you die.

 You may have other beliefs than I do, and you may not agree with me, but Harold, I’d like to be honest with you at the risk of even getting you angry.

 I’m obligated to tell you the truth; not because I think that I’m smarter or better than you in some way but that basically, Harold, I love you. You’re a fellow human just like me, and I’m commanded to love you. The most loving thing I can think to tell you is the one thing that will save you.

It’s just like if you saw a blind man walking towards a cliff, not knowing the danger that awaits him…would you whisper that you both have differing opinions on whether there is a cliff there, or would you shout at the top of your lungs “Hey! Wait! Stop!” and tackle him? Even if he might get mad at you? You’d tackle him…you know what’s coming and if you love him, you’ll risk his anger.

 

What do you say…can I email you what I think is the truth?

(At this point he emails back and says “go for it” so I did)

Harold,

Thanks very much for letting me do this. I appreciate it…here goes.

The bible says that there is going to be a day when everyone is going to be judged by God. Not only for what they do, but for what they are…sinners.

I’m sure that Fred thought that he’d be going to heaven, and he may have, but not because he was a “good guy” or anything like that.

There is only one criterion for entrance into Heaven and that’s this: repent and believe.

That’s kind of weird sounding phrase and you may not have heard of it before but it just means this:

Men, by their very nature are enemies of God…even Fred was at one time, (or still is) an enemy of God.

We’ve all broken His laws, probably multiple times a day. You’ve done it, I’ve done it. We’ve, lied, taken things that didn’t belong to us, looked at women with lustful thoughts, wanted things that other people owned, neglected to give God the worship that He deserves…etc.

The bible says that we’ll all be judged and if you’re being honest…you’d agree that we are guilty. God has prepared a place of punishment; it’s called Hell. It’s not the funny cartoon Hell; it’s a place of weeping and knashing of teeth…a place of horrible torment. The bible says that it’s the place where the smoke of your suffering rises forever. It’s not good.

And the plain truth is that we deserve that punishment. If we see ourselves in our “true light” we’d weep beyond what we can bear…we’d be so ashamed. We deserve Hell and 1000 times more…but thankfully, God is merciful. He’s provided a way to save you. He substituted His own Son, Jesus Christ in your place. You’ve heard of Jesus and the cross? How he was bruised and beaten beyond what any man could bear? That punishment that Jesus took was actually for you, Not only did he suffer physically; He bore the whole of Gods anger toward you.

You deserved it but Jesus took it.

So knowing that we cannot save ourselves, and knowing what we really deserve, our only hope is to “throw ourselves on the mercy of the court” so to speak…to give up our sinfulness, and to beg God to save us. That’s what God is commanding of you; to repent (to give up your sins; those fun things that you know are wrong) and believe (to believe that Jesus’ sacrifice is alone enough to save you; it cannot be earned)

That’s it…I’m asking you…actually, pleading with you…please, throw yourself on the mercy of the court; give up the things that you love to do that you know are wrong; realize the situation you’re in, beg God to save you; in short….

Repent and believe.

That’s it Harold…it’s that simple. And remember: there is no “in between” world where you can live. You are either saved by His mercy, or you are a rebel sinner.

We never know, just like Fred, when our time will be up.

And you know now, what you need to know; I pray that you heed what I’ve said.

Thanks for listening,

 bob

So, you saw what I said, warts and all…what would you say to him? What would you say differently than I did?

I’m looking to improve… 🙂