Really Bad arguments against Calvinism…kids…don’t use these.

27 07 2009

Recently I saw a really badly made video denouncing the Doctrines of Grace.
What was most pathetic was not the video but the comments by the owner of the channel…Apparently this person named Jacob has never had to actually argue a point in real time where he actually had to defend his position with well thought out arguments.

I’ve repeatedly offered to give him space to do so here at my blog; He would get 500 words uninterrupted to make his case in support of Arminianism, then I’d take 500 words to make my case in support of the Doctrines of Grace. Then we could ask a question or two of each other; thereby promoting a healthy exchange of ideas.

He declined in favor of using (inventing?) the following “Really bad arguments that Arminians shouldn’t use”

It’s pretty scary that people would rather listen to the theology of a murdering heretic like John Calvin than learn God’s holy word. According to John Calvin, we are either born saved or doomed to hell. Why even evangelize at all? Why witness? We need more videos exposing how demonic Calvinism is. It’s a huge stumbling block.

And this one:

Arminius came closer to the truth than John Calvin, that’s why I’m more against Calvinism. If you want to follow a man who burned people because they disagreed with his false interpretation of the scriptures, you go right ahead. How is he any different than the Catholic Church? I’ll continue following Jesus.

“…if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.” – Matthew 15:14

And this one combines  a straw man with an Ad Hominem

If Calvinism is true, all preaching is in vain. If God indeed predestines some for heaven and some for hell, all preaching is in vain. How do Calvinists witness? “Jesus MIGHT have died for you, but I KNOW HE DIED FOR ME BECAUSE I’M SPECIAL…so, good luck with that. I hope you are chosen too.” There is so much wrong with Calvinism it’s not even funny. Calvinism is the most arrogant cult I’ve ever heard of.

Another straw man

Are you telling me people had no idea what the gospel or salvation was until John Calvin came along and interpreted the gospel for everyone? I stand by the authority of God’s word, not by any man. Whenever you have a human telling you what the bible means, there’s a good chance you are in a cult.

This is a good one; don’t exegete when you can just proof text it!

You want proof Jesus Christ died for EVERYONE?

2 Peter 2:1 “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that BOUGHT them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”

He died for all, but not everyone will be saved. His plan of salvation damages a lot of people’s egos.

Another straw man

Again, to be a true Calvinist, you would have to believe that God is the author of every evil. Rape, murder, child molestation, drug usage, stealing, etc. It’s a cop out. We have no free will? Salvation is a two way street. The parable of the sower shows how we HAVE free will. Salvation is offered to all, but people go to hell by their own volition.

This one I couldn’t get what it was actually getting at

The Bible never advocates harming an individual due to his unbelief or lack of understanding. Jesus taught to “turn the other cheek” instead. None of the Apostles taught action against unbelievers but instead taught the believer to seek them out and present the gospel in love.

Mark 16:15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.”

John Calvin showed no signs of being a regenerate man. He became more murderous and cruel during his rule in Geneva.

And of course proving that it’s not necessary to crack a history book before opening your mouth.

Are you denying the fact that John Calvin approved the burning of Michael Servetus? John Calvin was a lying heretic to the core, just like his father the Devil.

And the ever popular red herring mixed with the Ad Hominem

He showed no inclination to be conformed to the image of Christ as described in Scripture for those who have been saved. Notice that Romans 8:29 below says we are “predestined to be conformed to His Son” and does not say we are predestined to be saved as taught by Calvin.

Romans 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to] [be] conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

And this nugget of sound scholarship

How does “predestined to be conformed to the image of the son” mean predestined to salvation in any way? Calvinists murder scripture. Where in the bible does it say “Jesus Christ died for the elect only?” It doesn’t. It’s clear he died for all…even the unsaved. Even the false prophets, like in the scripture passage I gave you below. “Denying even the Lord that BOUGHT them.” Anyone in hell is there because of their own choice to reject the gospel, not God’s.

And a thoroughly unbiblical understanding of “proginosko” combined with Ad Hominem

Foreknew…Yes, God foreknew who would be saved in the end. He’s God. Does that mean he CHOSE who would be saved? How are you 100% sure he chose YOU? What makes you more special than any other sinner? All that passage is saying is that once a person becomes a Christian, that person is then on a path to salvation and God is the author and finisher of that salvation. It’s interesting that all Calvinists believe they are the “chosen” few. LOL. How convenient for them.

This one was my favorite…it starts with a belly laugh and just goes to a proof text…no exegesis, no context…nothing.

Hahaha….

2nd peter 3:9, “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”

“For God so loved the WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” – John 3:16

Sounds to me like his desire is to have everyone saved….How can people get saved if they’ve never heard the gospel?

And then we’re back to poor or nonexistent scholarship

Election means a person has been chosen for a special service. Predestination means God has predetermined that those who become Christians will have certain attributes, such as being “conformed to the likeness of His Son.” Neither of these terms (election and predestination) have anything to do with salvation.

And here is a doozy

Why did Jesus give the great commission in Matthew 28:19-20? If God already knows who he is going to save,how lazy this view is? I’m not “screaming.” I’m typing. why should we bother having this discussion? I’ll just assume I’m one of the chosen and leave it at that. See

It leads here:

1 John 2:1 “My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and NOT FOR OUR’S ONLY, but also for the sins of the whole world.”

The bible destroys Calvinism once again.

LOL

And then after all of this; he claims to have proven these doctrines false…what gall. (And to be safe…he throws another personal attack in)

You cling to John Calvin’s doctrines which I’ve proven to be false. On top of his false interpretation of the scriptures, he was a murderer. This is who you want to model your life after? Go burn some people at the stake then…That’s what your leader would want you to do.

All the while taking that imaginary “high ground” that Arminians love to take.

You must not get it. I follow neither Arminius nor John Calvin.

And then he ends with this:

You’ve ignored every bible passage I’ve given. Calvinism is not only false doctrine, but it’s creepy. Don’t you have some heretics to burn at the stake?

If you’re a glutton for punishment you can see the whole exchange here at the video on You tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLUboGKgPvA





Quote of the week…from a heretic…

26 07 2009

This weeks quote of the week comes from Michael Markley; a man who calls himself a Christian yet says that he doesn’t sin.

But he’s admitted to sinning…but doesn’t sin now….oh…it’s very hard to follow because it’s so screwed up…

On the bright side, he’s supplied the quote of the week. When someone in the comment section of the video posted below compared him to Westboro Baptist Church, do you think he denounced their hatred, their closed-minded bigotry, their unChristlike behavior? Nope…this is what he said:

I am diametrically opposed to westboro,, they teach calvinism.

You read it right…It’s not all of the “other stuff”  that he is opposed to…it’s Calvinism.

Wow…I’m speechless.

Here is the video; please pray for this guy; that he would see his need for a savior. (One thing; watch him say that Christians don’t sin, and then take in his attitude and speech…they don’t go together do they?)

NOTE: there is some harsh language at 1:40 to 2:06. I suggest that you mute the video at that point.





When a false teacher gets caught in his own false doctrine…

23 07 2009

In case you’re not aware, there are some people posting videos on You Tube who believe that a Christian DOES NOT SIN…EVER.

One of them calls himself Open Air Preacher and he has a video called: “Born Again Christians Cannot Sin”

I know, I know…as ludicrous as it sounds, that’s what he believes.

Well, I watched a video called “Open Air Preacher is confused!” by “Defending the Truth” where it exposes the OAP for the false teacher that he is.

Here it is so you can see for yourself:

Now…I went to this Open Air Preachers channel and had the following conversation with him…we didn’t finish because he deleted my comments.

You can see why he did…

Me:

I’m confused.
I see all the admonishments you posted that say Christians don’t sin but on another video I saw you saying that you sinned.

Are you saying that you’re not a Christian??

This is very confusing…Can Christians sin or not?

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OpenAirPreacher:
this is about and and is also true with every Christian
1; I was converted to Christ,,, I asked Jesus to save me.,.and was saved
2; I didnt know much about the bible or Christianity I was new
3; I was tempted and fell into sin and struggled with sinning!
4; I started growing in faith and being sanctified
5; I started overcoming sin and walking Holy
6; started witnessing to others
7; became a overcomer ,forsaken sinning and remained walking Holy , born Again

you can TOO… start fighting the good fight of faith!

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Me:

So the Christian CAN sin?

You repeatedly said on your video that a Christian doesn’t sin.

So were you a Christian when you sinned?

This isn’t any less confusing yet…

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Can you tell why he wouldn’t want to have that conversation posted?

Edited to add: This is an example of some of the nonsensical baloney that he spews:


Christian means Christlike,,, people who are Born of God are representing the Image of God and must be holy…
Christians who are sinning are in rebellion to God and must stop 1 Corth 15;34… 1 JN 2;1… both scripture tells Christians to stop sinning
just like I do… I cannot be Born again and keep sinning,, so I repented,, its possible for me to sin…but better ,, possible for me to not sin.
so I cannot sin and be Christlike..born again do not commit sin.
we all must stop sinning and walk Holy… the anti-christ says this is immpossible that christians sin daily and never can stop.
Whoever counts the correct amount of logical issues and contradictions in that last paragraph gets a prize!





A quote from Luther’s Bondage of the Will…

20 07 2009

If you argue against the Sovereignty of God in salvation and one of the arguments you use is: “If we are commanded to do something in scripture, doesn’t it follow that we have the ability to do it?” then take a look at what Luther had to say to you 500 years ago:

It must, however, be a certain stupor or lethargy which can hold, that the power of “Free-will” is confirmed by these words “turn ye,” “if thou wilt turn,” and the like, and does not see, that for the same reason, it must be confirmed by this Scripture also, “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart,” seeing that, the meaning of Him who commands and requires is the same in both instances.

For the loving of God, is not less required than our conversion, and the keeping of all the commandments; because, the loving of God is our real conversion. And yet, no one attempts to prove “Free-will” from that command ‘to love,’ although from those words “if thou wilt,” “if thou wilt hear,” “turn ye”, and the like, all attempt to prove it. If therefore from that word, “love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,” it does not follow that “Free-will” is any thing or can do anything, it is certain that it neither follows from these words, “if thou wilt,” “if thou wilt hear,” “turn ye,” and the like, which either require less, or require with less force of importance, than these words “Love God!” “Love the Lord!”
Whatever, therefore, is said against drawing a conclusion in support of “Free-will” from this word “love God,” the same must be said against drawing a conclusion in support of “Free-will” from every other word of command or requirement. For, if by the command ‘to love,’ the nature of the law only be shewn, and what we ought to do, but not the power of the will or what we can do, but rather, what we cannot do, the same is shewn by all the other Scriptures of requirement. For it is well known, that even the schoolmen, except the Scotinians and moderns, assert, that man cannot love God with all his heart. Therefore, neither can he perform any one of the other precepts, for all the rest, according to the testimony of Christ, hang on this one. Hence, by the testimony even of the doctors of the schools, this remains as a settled conclusion: — that the words of the law do not prove the power of “Free-will,” but shew what we ought to do, and what we cannot do. .





Michael Jackson interviewed at Staples Center…sort of…

18 07 2009

This is Pastor Steve Sanchez interviewing a Michael Jackson supporter. Everything goes nicely until the moment when he’s asked specifically about his sin…





Have you ever read “The Shack”? Unfortunately, I have…now.

17 07 2009

Yes, I tried to read “The Shack” but I have to confess, I couldn’t get through the whole thing…it was too disturbing.

Before I ever opened the book I had read reviews by Al Mohler, John MacArthur, John Piper, and Tim Challies and didn’t have any desire to read it but I was challenged by a Christian to read the book myself, (as I’d have more credibility to comment on it if I did)

As I said…I tried…oh I tried. Suffice it to say that there were a lot more negative elements in it than what I had read in the reviews of Dr. Mohler, MacArthur, Piper, and Tim Challies’…(they had only dealt with the “high points” for the most part.)

Reading this book a complete waste of time, the tone was sickening. God the Father, Jesus, and the HS are portrayed in the most disrespectful way, I’m very surprised that any Christian would find it anything but revolting. It really seemed like it was written by an Atheist; not someone who is a Christian. The not-so-subtle-mockery of Orthodox Christian beliefs are things that I’ve seen in Stephen King novels.

The reviews that I had read were “spot on” and not taken out of context in the least, in fact, I’d say that they were being very charitable with the book; giving it the benefit of the doubt in many places. The review by Challies can be found HERE And the audio review my Dr. Mohler can be found HERE.

And while I understand that it is fiction; it’s put across in a “matter of fact” way as “explaining spiritual things”  and Christians are looking to this book to “shore up their understanding” of God. There are several quotes in the inside cover of the book that say exactly that. Just like the Davinci code; it’s fiction that people accept as fact.

Quote:

“An exceptional piece of writing the ushers you directly into the heart and nature of god in the midst of agonizing human suffering. This amazing story will challenge you to consider the person and the plan of God in more expansive terms than you may have ever dreamed.”
David Gregory

“The Shack will change the way you think about God forever”
Cathy Lee Gifford

Clearly; this book is being taken more seriously than just a piece of fiction; people are looking to it for their theology.

And what a horrible theology it is. Here are a few highlights:

  1. God cannot take away pain (pg 92)
  2. If God doesn’t have an object of love, then SHE is not capable of loving at all. (pg 102)
  3. God was on the cross and died with Jesus (pg 103)
  4. God doesn’t punish sin; sin is its own punishment. It’s God’s joy to cure it. (pg 120)

Aside from the heinous theological errors, there is a blasphemous tone to the book.

  1. Jesus decides to “see if the bowl of sauce” for dinner would bounce”
  2. Jesus created everything and is amazed at how impressive they are
  3. God listens to secular music and is especially fond of Bruce Cochran

What it teaches is not only heresy but it’s in poor taste and offensive to me as one who loves God and how He has revealed Himself in His word.

As far as having credibility by actually reading the book? The fact is that I didn’t have to buy it and slog through it to have credibility to comment on it…the excerpts and reviews I read were sufficient to demonstrate what the book was about and they were accurate. I don’t have to chew my way through a huge steamy dog pile to see if there might be a peanut butter cup buried underneath.

So I ask the following question:

As Christians shouldn’t we be defending the word of God and denouncing heresy like “the Shack” and not defending it?
bob





Rick Warren speaking at the ISNA…ahh Ricky…did you forget something?

11 07 2009

And I naively thought that RW might, just might mention a little something called “The Gospel of Jesus Christ”?

Naa…why waste time on that?

What a disgrace to Christianity.