Recently I saw a really badly made video denouncing the Doctrines of Grace.
What was most pathetic was not the video but the comments by the owner of the channel…Apparently this person named Jacob has never had to actually argue a point in real time where he actually had to defend his position with well thought out arguments.
I’ve repeatedly offered to give him space to do so here at my blog; He would get 500 words uninterrupted to make his case in support of Arminianism, then I’d take 500 words to make my case in support of the Doctrines of Grace. Then we could ask a question or two of each other; thereby promoting a healthy exchange of ideas.
He declined in favor of using (inventing?) the following “Really bad arguments that Arminians shouldn’t use”
It’s pretty scary that people would rather listen to the theology of a murdering heretic like John Calvin than learn God’s holy word. According to John Calvin, we are either born saved or doomed to hell. Why even evangelize at all? Why witness? We need more videos exposing how demonic Calvinism is. It’s a huge stumbling block.
And this one:
Arminius came closer to the truth than John Calvin, that’s why I’m more against Calvinism. If you want to follow a man who burned people because they disagreed with his false interpretation of the scriptures, you go right ahead. How is he any different than the Catholic Church? I’ll continue following Jesus.
“…if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.” – Matthew 15:14
And this one combines a straw man with an Ad Hominem
If Calvinism is true, all preaching is in vain. If God indeed predestines some for heaven and some for hell, all preaching is in vain. How do Calvinists witness? “Jesus MIGHT have died for you, but I KNOW HE DIED FOR ME BECAUSE I’M SPECIAL…so, good luck with that. I hope you are chosen too.” There is so much wrong with Calvinism it’s not even funny. Calvinism is the most arrogant cult I’ve ever heard of.
Another straw man
Are you telling me people had no idea what the gospel or salvation was until John Calvin came along and interpreted the gospel for everyone? I stand by the authority of God’s word, not by any man. Whenever you have a human telling you what the bible means, there’s a good chance you are in a cult.
This is a good one; don’t exegete when you can just proof text it!
You want proof Jesus Christ died for EVERYONE?
2 Peter 2:1 “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that BOUGHT them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”
He died for all, but not everyone will be saved. His plan of salvation damages a lot of people’s egos.
Another straw man
Again, to be a true Calvinist, you would have to believe that God is the author of every evil. Rape, murder, child molestation, drug usage, stealing, etc. It’s a cop out. We have no free will? Salvation is a two way street. The parable of the sower shows how we HAVE free will. Salvation is offered to all, but people go to hell by their own volition.
This one I couldn’t get what it was actually getting at
The Bible never advocates harming an individual due to his unbelief or lack of understanding. Jesus taught to “turn the other cheek” instead. None of the Apostles taught action against unbelievers but instead taught the believer to seek them out and present the gospel in love.
Mark 16:15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.”
John Calvin showed no signs of being a regenerate man. He became more murderous and cruel during his rule in Geneva.
And of course proving that it’s not necessary to crack a history book before opening your mouth.
Are you denying the fact that John Calvin approved the burning of Michael Servetus? John Calvin was a lying heretic to the core, just like his father the Devil.
And the ever popular red herring mixed with the Ad Hominem
He showed no inclination to be conformed to the image of Christ as described in Scripture for those who have been saved. Notice that Romans 8:29 below says we are “predestined to be conformed to His Son” and does not say we are predestined to be saved as taught by Calvin.
Romans 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to] [be] conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
And this nugget of sound scholarship
How does “predestined to be conformed to the image of the son” mean predestined to salvation in any way? Calvinists murder scripture. Where in the bible does it say “Jesus Christ died for the elect only?” It doesn’t. It’s clear he died for all…even the unsaved. Even the false prophets, like in the scripture passage I gave you below. “Denying even the Lord that BOUGHT them.” Anyone in hell is there because of their own choice to reject the gospel, not God’s.
And a thoroughly unbiblical understanding of “proginosko” combined with Ad Hominem
Foreknew…Yes, God foreknew who would be saved in the end. He’s God. Does that mean he CHOSE who would be saved? How are you 100% sure he chose YOU? What makes you more special than any other sinner? All that passage is saying is that once a person becomes a Christian, that person is then on a path to salvation and God is the author and finisher of that salvation. It’s interesting that all Calvinists believe they are the “chosen” few. LOL. How convenient for them.
This one was my favorite…it starts with a belly laugh and just goes to a proof text…no exegesis, no context…nothing.
2nd peter 3:9, “The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
“For God so loved the WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” – John 3:16
Sounds to me like his desire is to have everyone saved….How can people get saved if they’ve never heard the gospel?
And then we’re back to poor or nonexistent scholarship
Election means a person has been chosen for a special service. Predestination means God has predetermined that those who become Christians will have certain attributes, such as being “conformed to the likeness of His Son.” Neither of these terms (election and predestination) have anything to do with salvation.
And here is a doozy
Why did Jesus give the great commission in Matthew 28:19-20? If God already knows who he is going to save,how lazy this view is? I’m not “screaming.” I’m typing. why should we bother having this discussion? I’ll just assume I’m one of the chosen and leave it at that. See
It leads here:
1 John 2:1 “My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and NOT FOR OUR’S ONLY, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
The bible destroys Calvinism once again.
And then after all of this; he claims to have proven these doctrines false…what gall. (And to be safe…he throws another personal attack in)
You cling to John Calvin’s doctrines which I’ve proven to be false. On top of his false interpretation of the scriptures, he was a murderer. This is who you want to model your life after? Go burn some people at the stake then…That’s what your leader would want you to do.
All the while taking that imaginary “high ground” that Arminians love to take.
You must not get it. I follow neither Arminius nor John Calvin.
And then he ends with this:
You’ve ignored every bible passage I’ve given. Calvinism is not only false doctrine, but it’s creepy. Don’t you have some heretics to burn at the stake?
If you’re a glutton for punishment you can see the whole exchange here at the video on You tube.